kazdy nowoprodukowany autobus turystyczny musi miec pasy na wszystkich siedzeniach.

a zgodnie z Art39. PoRD pasazerowie takowego musza zapinac pasy, oraz przewozone dzieci musza jezdzic w fotelikach lub urzadzeniach...

jakiem wiec cudem są homologowane w takich autobusach pasy 2 punktowe skoro nie ma fotelikow na 2 punktowe pasy?

no chyba ze w autobusie nie trzeba zapinac pasow, bo takie informacje uzyskalem dzis w z drogowki w pewnym miescie wschodniej Polski.

> kazdy nowoprodukowany autobus turystyczny musi miec pasy na wszystkich siedzeniach.

> a zgodnie z Art39. PoRD pasazerowie takowego musza zapinac pasy, oraz przewozone dzieci musza

> jezdzic w fotelikach lub urzadzeniach...

> jakiem wiec cudem są homologowane w takich autobusach pasy 2 punktowe skoro nie ma fotelikow na 2

> punktowe pasy?

> no chyba ze w autobusie nie trzeba zapinac pasow, bo takie informacje uzyskalem dzis w z drogowki w

> pewnym miescie wschodniej Polski.

Wyglada na to, ze jest blad w przepisach.

Napisz list z prosba o wyjasnienie do ministerstwa transportu.

Dla przykladu w Irlandii mamy tak:

Przepis

I kilka cytatow z niego:

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category M1 - means a passenger vehicle with seats for not more than 8 persons not including the driver;

category M2 - means a passenger vehicle with seats for more than 8 persons not including the driver and having a design gross vehicle weight not exceeding 5,000 kilograms;

category M3 - means a passenger vehicle with seats for more than 8 persons not including the driver and having a design gross vehicle weight exceeding 5,000 kilograms;

category N1 - means a goods vehicle having a design gross vehicle weight not exceeding 3,500 kilograms;

category N2 - means a goods vehicle having a design gross vehicle weight exceeding 3,500 kilograms but not exceeding 10,000 kilograms;

category N3 - means a goods vehicle having a design gross vehicle weight exceeding 10,000 kilograms;

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Z tego wynika, ze autobusy to pojazdy kategorii M2 oraz M3.

Wiec idziemy nizej i czytamy Part 3

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Part 3

Wearing of Safety Belts and Child Restraint Systems in Vehicles of Categories M2 and M3

9. (1) This Regulation applies to the use of a seat which is fitted with a safety belt in a vehicle of category M2 or M3.

(2) Subject to Regulation 11, every adult and every child of 3 years of age or more occupying a seat shall wear a safety belt or an appropriate child restraint system.

(3) A person (other than a person under 14 years of age) who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

(4) The driver of a large public service vehicle is not obliged to carry a passenger who, without showing reasonable just cause, fails to comply this Regulation.

10. (1) This Regulation applies to a vehicle of category M2 or M3 which is fitted with safety belts on one or more of the passenger seats.

(2) The owner of a vehicle shall ensure that passengers are informed of the requirement under Regulation 9 (2) to wear safety belts while they are seated and while the bus is in motion.

(3) Passengers shall be deemed to have been informed of the requirement in paragraph (2) provided they have been alerted to the presence of safety belts by at least one of the following methods -

(a) an announcement by the driver or the conductor of the vehicle,

(b) where the passengers comprise entirely of a single group or assembly, an announcement by the courier, escort, group leader or supervisor, as the case may be, accompanying the group or assembly or by the driver,

© an audio-visual presentation (e.g. video),

(d) a sign prominently displayed at each seating position for which a safety belt is provided, or

(e) a pictogram in the form set out in Schedule 1 prominently displayed at each seating position for which a safety belt is provided.

(4) (a) Subject to subparagraph (b), a person who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

(b) The owner of a vehicle does not commit an offence for a failure to comply with paragraph (3)©, (d) or (e) if it can be shown that the failure was as a result of damage caused by users of the vehicle and the rectification of the damage was not reasonably practicable for the owner in the circumstances.

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Z tego co pogrubione, wynika, ze kazda osoba dorosla oraz kazde dziecko w wieku 3 lat lub wiecej sa obowiazane zapinac pasy lub jechac w foteliku.

Kazda osoba majaca 14 lat lub wiecej, ktora nie zapnie pasow, popelnia wykroczenie.

Kierowca moze odmowic przewozu osoby ktora bez podania przyczyny odmawia zapiecia pasa.

Jednak nie ma ani slowa na temat obowiazkowych fotelikow, ani tez nie ma ani slowa na temat tego, ze kierowca jest zoobowiazany upewnic sie czy pasazerowie zapieli pasy.

Jedyne co jest wymagana, te zeby wlasciciel autobusu upewnil sie, iz pasazerowie sa w odpowieni sposob poinformowani o istnieniu pasow i obowiazku ich zapinania. (to jest opisane w dalszej - nie pogrubionej - czesci ustawy.

Natomiast co do innych pojazdow, sa oczywiscie inne przepisy, ktore wymagaja uzycia fotelikow.

Jesli ktos zainteresowany to cytat ponizej, ale z autobusami nie ma to nic wspolnego.

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Part 2

Wearing of Safety Belts and Child Restraint Systems in Vehicles of Categories M1, N1, N2 and N3

5. (1) Subject to Regulation 11, every adult occupant of a seat in a relevant vehicle for which a safety belt is provided shall wear the safety belt.

(2) The driver of the vehicle shall ensure that persons under 17 years of age comply with this Regulation.

(3) A person (other than a person under 17 years of age) who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

6. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a person shall not drive a relevant vehicle with a child under 3 years of age on board unless the child is restrained by an appropriate child restraint system.

(2) A child under 3 years of age may be carried in a small public service vehicle, on a seat other than a front seat, if no appropriate child restraint system is available.

(3) A person who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

7. (1) Subject to this Regulation, a person shall not drive a relevant vehicle with a child of 3 years of age or more on board unless the child is restrained by an appropriate child restraint system.

(2) A child of 3 years of age or more may be carried on a seat (other than a front seat) of a relevant vehicle which is not equipped with belt anchorages.

(3) A child of 3 years of age or more may be carried in a small public service vehicle on a seat (other than a front seat) if no appropriate child restraint system is available and, in the case of a child of 135 centimetres or more in height on a seat fitted with a safety belt, provided such safety belt is being worn.

(4) In the case of a vehicle of category M1 or N1 where two child restraint systems are fitted on seats (other than front seats) and, as a consequence, the fitting of a further child restraint system is not possible, a child of 3 years of age or more may be carried on a seat (other than a front seat) fitted with a safety belt, provided such safety belt is being worn.

(5) Until 1 May 2009, in a vehicle of category M1, where the number of children under the age of 15 years being carried exceeds the number of seats available fitted with safety belts, the requirement that all

such children wear safety belts or use child restraint systems shall apply in relation to seats (other than front seats) only in so far as it is reasonably practicable.

(6) Paragraph (5) does not confer any exemption from the requirements of the Road Traffic Acts 1961 to 2005.

(7) A person who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

8. (1) This Regulation applies to a relevant vehicle which is equipped with one or more air bags positioned in front of a passenger seat on which a rearward-facing child restraint system is fitted.

(2) A person shall not drive a vehicle with a child restrained by a rearward-facing child restraint system fitted on a seat, in front of which there is an air bag, unless the air bag has been de-activated in such a way as to prevent its operation while the child restraint system is in use.

(3) A person who fails to comply with this Regulation commits an offence.

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Jesli autobus ma pasy to trzeba je zapisać, ale jeśli takowych nie ma, to nie ma również obowiązku ich zapinania - no bo i nie ma czego.

> Jesli autobus ma pasy to trzeba je zapisać, ale jeśli takowych nie ma, to nie ma również obowiązku

> ich zapinania - no bo i nie ma czego.

madrala, tyle to sam wiem, ale pytanie - jak zapiac fotelik lub "inne urzadzenie" pasem 2 punktowym...

> madrala, tyle to sam wiem, ale pytanie - jak zapiac fotelik lub "inne urzadzenie" pasem 2

> punktowym...

Podobno Roemer Eclipse można mocować dwupunktowym pasem.

> Podobno Roemer Eclipse można mocować dwupunktowym pasem.

no tak podaje istrukcja - wiec jest 1 fotelik na rynku do tych pasow, ale jest on z grupy 9-18kg, a co z mniejszym lub wiekszym dzieckiem?

stawiam ze przepisy się pokrywają i wzajemnie wykluczają przez to. Trzeb by dogłębnie poczytać. Nie wyobrażam sobie fotelików w autobusie turystycznym. W niektórych są gęsto usytuowane siedzenia i nie da rady tego tam wstawić.

> stawiam ze przepisy się pokrywają i wzajemnie wykluczają przez to. Trzeb by dogłębnie poczytać.

z czytania nic nie wyniklo narazie

> Nie

> wyobrażam sobie fotelików w autobusie turystycznym. W niektórych są gęsto usytuowane siedzenia

> i nie da rady tego tam wstawić.

jak gesto? nie wyobrazam sobie aby byly tak gesto aby sie nie dalo ftelikow zastosowac.

rzezywiscie byl blad i zostala wydana łata...:

jakiś tekst

strona 52:

"6) art.39 ust 4 otrzymuje brzmienie:

"4. Przepis ust 3. nie dotyczy przewozu dziecka taksówką osobową, autobusem, specjalistycznym środkiem transportu sanitarnego, o którym mowa w art 36 ust. 2 ustawy z dnia 8 września 2006 r. o Państwowym Ratownictwie Medycznym (Dz. U. Nr 191, poz 1410 z późn. zm.), pojazdem Policji, Strazy Granicznej lub Straży Gminnej(Miejskiej)."

ale doczytalem wlasnie, ze wchodzi to dopiero za rok!!!

A wiec wygląda na to, ze do spełnienia warunków ustawy wystarczy stosować pasy, które są w autobusie nie stosując fotelików czy poddupnikow, choć stosowanie fotelika czy poddupnika przy 3 punktowych pasach ma, wg mnie sens nawet w autobusie.